RadiX

Hi

Please leave sysops' actions for local sysops to take care of. Thanks! Nguyentrongphu (thảo luận) 22:33, ngày 6 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Nguyentrongphu. Stewards and global syops can perform administrative actions on wikis opted in to the global sysop wikiset. This wiki has not opted out of the global sysops' access list. It also has fewer than 10 administrators. Regards, RadiX∞ 03:06, ngày 7 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

"Stewards and global syops can perform administrative actions on wikis opted in to the global sysop wikiset." First of all, just because they can does not mean they should. And I wanted to opt out, but they didn't allow me. Please respect our own authority here. I DON'T need your help or any steward's or global sysop's help for that matter. All the other stewards and global sysops have complied my request not to interfere. Don't make me make a ruckus about this at meta. And if you continue to interfere, I will oppose you at the steward confirmation next year, and I will try my best to convince others to do the same. Regard! Nguyentrongphu (thảo luận) 10:22, ngày 11 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

"First of all", pay attention to WMF fourth pillar. I consider your last message extremely offensive and disrespectful - not to mention the nonsense threat at the end. Local administrators don't hold any special "authority" over other users. Indeed, they are expected to behave in a regardful and civil manner in their interactions with others. Be polite, and you'll certainly find your way of being understood. I hope you are not here to bite those who volunteer themselves to help out Wikimedia projects.

If you really want this wiki to be a self-governing one, then it is highly recommended that you start (again) a proposal to opt-out of the GS wiki-set, as a means of ensuring that outside community members don't get involved in maintenance tasks.

Anyway, bear in mind that neither global sysops nor stewards are entitled for partaking in local stuff, since that it's not within the scope of their role. However, to properly address some issues, as in the case of cross-wiki spam or obvious vandalism, stewards and GSs are allowed to use their toolkit locally. You may disagree with that, but you yourself cannot prevent any global user from doing so, unless this community had already expressed such decision.

Regards, RadiX∞ 02:52, ngày 12 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

P.S.: The page I deleted last week was a blatant spam made by a [locked] spambot; it stayed on this wiki for 4 (four) days before finally getting deleted. This action is completely within the purposes of antivandalism and routine maintenance, according to our global policies. RadiX∞ 02:52, ngày 12 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I want this wiki to be a self-governing one WITHOUT outsider's interference. Frankly speaking, I hate seeing interferences. You don't need to remind me of this "Local administrators don't hold any special "authority" over other users." I have been on here long enough to realize it. However, I have a right to ask outsiders (you are an outsider to this community) to not interfere. If they would accept my request to opt-out, there wouldn't be any problem. Too bad, they didn't, so I have to manually ask every global sysop and steward that come here to not interfere.

"I hope you are not here to bite those who volunteer themselves to help out Wikimedia projects." Of course, I'm not here to bite anyone. You're welcomed to help out other Wikimedia projects. And if you want to help out here with admin's stuffs, you should first become a member of this community first by learning Vietnamese and contribute some content materials then get elected to be a sysop like me. That's when you can help out with admin's stuffs here, before that no.

"it is highly recommended that you start (again) a proposal." It's useless. I already know they're not going to accept my request. I have requested twice. They have some stupid rules that only allow community with certain amount of active users to opt out. There is nothing I can do about that.

"unless this community had already expressed such decision." This community is just me left. And FYI, I delete and revert all vandalism once a week, so seeing something for 4 days isn't abnormal. There is no reason for me to do it every day. I will get things done my own way with my own time.

Oh, and in my point of view, I consider outsiders' interferences to be extremely offensive and disrespectful also, especially after I have asked them NOT to interfere.

Remember, continue to interfere is very likely not going to be beneficial to you. Like I said I will cause a tumult about this on meta (it likely will affect your reputation). And yes, I do realize that in the end, there is nothing I can do to stop you from interfering. However, if you wish to do the work for me (aka continue to interfere), you will receive many opposed votes (not my sock-puppets, but I have many friends in Vi-Wikipedia) by next year steward confirmation then go head. It's a win-win situation for me if you continue to interfere. Therefore please don't for your own interests. Nguyentrongphu (thảo luận) 04:39, ngày 12 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

Dear Nguyentrongphu,

You should pay attention to the rules of conduct that make interactions run more smoothly. I am not comfortable with the tone you have used with members of the global community. Be polite and try not to ignore the concerns that have been raised at your talk page. Based on our policies and guidelines, your "outsider" fellows are either freely entitled to edit or perform any helpful action - administrative or not - to this project, and should be treated with respect and good will, because this wiki is too small for opt out. You are always encouraged to express your own opinions on that matter or anything else, but you *cannot* threat volunteers and ask them to back off based solely on your dislike of "outsiders". Avoid acting in an insular way. Wikipedia is about cooperating and working together for mutual benefit; it's not a win-win game.

I'm counting on your understanding.

Sincerely, RadiX∞ 15:00, ngày 13 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

Dear RadiX

How is it my fault that this community can't opt out? There is nothing I can do about that. I can ask "outsiders" to back off from admins' actions according to the guideline. I'm sure I have read somewhere before that there is a guideline something like "stewards and global sysops should not interfere with local affairs when there are local sysops." Therefore this is "not" just my own dislikes of outsiders. It's a combination of the guideline and my dislikes of outsiders. Anyway, is it so hard to not interfere? I view this as a very easy request to do. I would gladly comply if someone asked me not to interfere (assuming I'm a steward).

"Wikipedia is about cooperating and working together for mutual benefit; it's not a win-win game." Yes, I have been around for 8 years. It is a long enough time that I do understand how Wikipedia and other sister projects work. I have no problem with working together for mutual benefit. Sadly, I see "no" benefit from interfering.

I have a solution that everyone would be happy. You either make an exception to allow this wiki to opt out, or please just don't interfere again. Either way is not hard to do. I promise you we will never have this problem ever again! I hope we have a mutual understanding as well. (P.S.: like I said, I haven't ran into this problem before, and I have been doing this for many years. Many stewards and global sysops before didn't bother to care to make a big deal out of this. They simply just ignored this project, and I liked it that way!) Nguyentrongphu (thảo luận) 01:32, ngày 14 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

Now looking back, I admit I made a mistake. I've made a "jump call" way too early. That should be used only as the last resort after we have hit a dead end. My bad, and I'm sorry for that. However, my point of view stands as it is. Nguyentrongphu (thảo luận) 01:39, ngày 14 tháng 5 năm 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Nguyentrongphu. Sorry for my late reply. Unfortunately, viwiktionary is not considered to be a self-sufficient wiki because there is no community to declare otherwise. Although global sysops are allowed to fight spam and vandalism on projects that are not able to take care about themselves, stewards can handle cross-wiki issues through Wikimedia wikis regardless of whether or not they have opted-out of the GS wiki-set. So, the overall aim is not related to your personal need for help. It's about this wiki demands, since it usually goes without any nonautomated activity several hours per day, judging by what we saw on the recent changes' page. As we can see, global community actions are tailored to every project requirement. And I woudn't call it an interference. Quite the contrary. Best regards, RadiX∞ 14:35, ngày 23 tháng 6 năm 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this Wiki demands "help." Why does it matter that "it usually goes without any nonautomated activity several hours per day?" So what? I will take care of any problem at the of the week, no problem. I see no problem with any of this for years! Nguyentrongphu (thảo luận) 03:06, ngày 25 tháng 6 năm 2016 (UTC)